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Unbelievable! Tonight, "Ichabod" asks the President to cease their attacks on each other and then proceeds to deliver a speech riddled with negative rhetoric against him personally and members of his Administration.

Who's gonna' trust this hypocrite? It appears as though not even his Wife!

By the way, anybody hear him discuss any accomplishments he made in the Senate?
 

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Wil, "where's the beef" in this speech?

Did you not hear any negative rhetoric in his speech?

Got any idea how he's gonna' deliver health care to every citizen while balancing the budget? Billary tried and quit.

Honestly, what revelation came out of this speech tonight?
 

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Senators have accomplishments?

What did Bush accomplish as Governor anyway? I don't remember him talking about that when he campaigned.

Kerry's not running for Senator so why should he talk about the enate. It's not applicable. I wanted to hear what he will do as PRESIDENT and that he delivered. Spending time bragging about whatever Senate accomplishments would have looked stupid and foolish as he is not running to be Senator.
 

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Negative rhetoric? You mean like saying he will 'restore trust and credibility' to the Whote House? Sounded a bit like 'restoring honesty and integrity'. Remember who used that line? Nice touch.

What negative rhetoric are you referring to?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D2bets:
Senators have accomplishments? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well,D2,believe or not,some Senators actually do accomplish things - both Repblicans and Democrats.Voting to upgrade soldier's body armor comes to mind.

When you are looking at qualifications, Kerry's ability to pursuade his colleagues in the Senate is at least as important as how he managed not to get killed in Nam.
 

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BOSTON — The Democrats have gone to a war footing.
John Kerry accepted the nomination of his party Thursday night with a speech more muscular than any Democratic presidential nominee has given at a convention in four decades.

• Consider the images in the biographical video that introduced him: snapshots of a young Kerry squinting into the sun with the crew of the swift boat he captained in Vietnam, and of him standing ramrod-straight in a crisp white uniform as a Bronze Star was pinned on his chest.

• Consider the friend he chose to introduce him: former Georgia senator Max Cleland, a veteran who returned from Vietnam in a wheelchair, both legs and one arm blown off by a grenade.

• Consider the words Kerry used in his speech, as drafted for delivery: Strength. Tough. Fight. Defend. Force. Attack. Security.

"I defended this country as a young man, and I will defend it as president," the Massachusetts senator said in the advance text. "Let there be no mistake: I will never hesitate to use force when it is required. Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security. And I will build a stronger American military."

To terrorists, he said: "You will lose, and we will win."

Kerry even turned some of the most memorable phrases that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney used in 2000 against them.

As convention speakers promised military strength, the FleetCenter reverberated with cheers and applause even though nine of 10 delegates in the hall oppose the war in Iraq. Surveys before the convention showed that most of them cite as priorities such domestic issues as health care, jobs and education. "Issues are fine," Gregg Gallo, a delegate from Washington state sporting a stovepipe hat with a gay-pride rainbow, told an Associated Press reporter. "Winning is great."

The strong-on-defense, tough-on-terrorism message was all about winning. In a tight race, Kerry already is seen in the USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll as roughly equal or better than Bush on handling the economy, health care and Iraq. But dealing with terrorism remains Bush's big advantage — an important edge in the first presidential election since the Sept. 11 attacks. Republicans portray Kerry as inconsistent and unready, a point they presumably will press at their party's convention in New York City next month.

At the Democratic convention here this week, speaker after speaker described him as sure-footed and strong. Onstage Wednesday were a dozen retired three- and four-star generals and admirals who have endorsed him. Onstage Thursday were a dozen veterans, including those with whom he served.

Kerry didn't ignore domestic issues. He talked about controlling health care costs, generating good jobs, balancing the budget, lifting millions out of poverty. Those are the themes emphasized by recent Democratic nominees.

He promised not to raise taxes on the middle class. He talked about his family and his faith.

But the spotlight was on national security. Indeed, Kerry won the nomination in large part because Democrats in the Iowa caucuses in January and in later primaries calculated that his war record and Senate experience made him the candidate who would best match the nation's mood.

Kerry didn't refer to his vote to authorize the war in Iraq. But he promised to be "a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war." He vowed to reform the intelligence system and rebuild ties with allies, and he rejected Bush's doctrine of pre-emptive attack: "As president, I will bring back this nation's time-honored tradition: The United States never goes to war because we want to, we only go to war because we have to."

He echoed a taunting phrase that Cheney used in his convention acceptance speech in Philadelphia four years ago: "To all who serve in our armed forces today, I say, help is on the way."

And he offered a variation on Bush's campaign promise in 2000 to restore honor and dignity to the Oval Office. "As president, I will restore trust and credibility to the White House," he said.

Kerry's strategists ended the week having succeeded in the immediate goals they set for the convention: Projecting a consistent message. Avoiding public division. Limiting the bashing of Bush. Kerry mentioned his opponent's name just twice, neither time in a critical way. They orchestrated the sort of on-time, no-conflict convention formerly known as Republican.

The risk is whether the restraint designed to appeal to swing voters might fail to energize those core Democrats who are fiercely anti-Bush.

And whether Kerry strategists succeeded in their larger goal — convincing voters in such battleground states as Ohio, Wisconsin, Oregon and Maine that Kerry can be trusted to protect them in a dangerous world — is hard to judge. Pollsters for both campaigns were in the field the moment Kerry's speech ended to measure that.

Susan Page, USA TODAY
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kwalder:
By the way, anybody hear him discuss any accomplishments he made in the Senate? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, yes. From the text: "When I came to the Senate, I broke with many in my own party to vote for a balanced budget, because I thought it was the right thing to do. I fought to put a 100,000 cops on the street.

And then I reached across the aisle to work with John McCain, to find the truth about our POWs and missing in action, and to finally make peace with Vietnam."

He mentioned 3 accomplishments. What did you want him to do...spend 10 minutes on a laundry list of the past? What a waste of time. People wanted to hear what his plans are and what he would do differently than Bush.

You guys are really reaching, but I know you got your talking points to stick to. It's tough though, because he gave a great speech tonight.
 

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bush accomplished a lot while governor of texas. he permitted how many executions in his state during his office?
 

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Sorry,D2, but the speech was just blustering and contained little substance.

I was waiting to hear him explain why he voted against the $87 billion for his "band of brothers (and sisters)" that are actually fighting in Iraq.
 

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Extreme Makeover Day 4 Fact Sheet: Setting the Record Straight

"It's disappointing that John Kerry's frank talk stopped with a discussion of his complexities and failed to include an explanation of his inconsistencies and contradictions on the central front in the War on Terror. John Kerry missed an opportunity to help the American people understand his vote for the war in Iraq based on the same intelligence that the President viewed, his description of himself as an anti-war candidate and his subsequent vote against troops on the front lines. He's right, America can do better."
- Campaign Chairman Marc Racicot
 

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kwalder, that's the sort of thing the debates are for. I am pretty sure he will be asked that question during a debate and then you will get an answer.

As for substance, these speeches are always going to talk about biography and the big vision and all that. The State of the Union is for laundry lists, an acceptance speech is not.

Keep reaching. It's only going to get tougher for you guys. President Kerry. Start getting used to it.
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He'll never be President and stay married. That lady can't stand it that she's not the center of attention. I guess he can always marry into money for the 3rd time.

As far as negative rhetoric, it's not a reach.When Kerry implies that the current Attorney General fails to try to uphold the Constitution or that the President intentionally lied, that's clear negative rhetoric.

Surely, you can remove your subjectivity long enough to recognize that or did Michael Moore do a number on you?
 

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I didn't say he didn't use negative rhetoric. Not sure he said the Prez intentionally lied. I think he said he mislead the public. A big different. In any case, I appreciate him calling it as he sees it on Bush's record.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D2bets:
I didn't say he didn't use negative rhetoric. Not sure he said the Prez intentionally lied. I think he said he mislead the public. A big different. In any case, I appreciate him calling it as he sees it on Bush's record. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fine , but my point is that he shouldn't contradict himself by asking the President to join him in ending the negative attacks while he continues to do so.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Kerry's strategists ended the week having succeeded in the immediate goals they set for the convention: Projecting a consistent message. Avoiding public division. Limiting the bashing of Bush. Kerry mentioned his opponent's name just twice, neither time in a critical way. They orchestrated the sort of on-time, no-conflict convention formerly known as Republican.
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Negative rhetoric, get real, what do you want him to say Bush is doing a great job. This is politics, just listen to all the attack ads Bush is spending millions on.


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Well, less than a week after his "breakout" speech on staying positive, Hypocrite Kerry continues to conduct a pessimistic campaign of bashing his opponent.

Has there been one day since that speech when he has not tried to bash the President. What a liar!
 
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Kerry is a jerkoff. Whenever anyone sites his abysmal record , he calls it an attack and then he launches in to attacks of his own.

And guess what John , no one cares about Vietnam anymore. This is 2004 it is a different world and a different war. Go root for your wife to die so you can make some quick cash.
 

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Typical Repubs,

Can't run on the record, let's attack the candidate's spouse.
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Posted by Kwalder: "It's disappointing that John Kerry's frank talk stopped with a discussion of his complexities and failed to include an explanation of his inconsistencies and contradictions on the central front in the War on Terror."

If that was factual, I might even agree with you but since Bush Admin has backed down and said there was never a collaboration between Al Qaeda and saddam and criticized American media outlets for distorting them on the very subject, why do you consider Iraq the so-called "central front on the war on terror"?

Unfortunately for you Repubs, your boy Dubya messed up. He got it wrong. American military personnel are dying for nothing in Iraq. Nothing.

Glad that you support our troops being shot at for the hallucination of a mis-guided, ill-advised President who has no previous experience with foreign affairs and has this country in biggest quagmire since Viet Nam.

As of 2005, your boy Dubya is gone.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>American military personnel are dying for nothing in Iraq. Nothing.
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According to some of the incredibly ignorant posters here in this forum Liberals are supposed to be glad about the above.


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